Today’s guest is Caylan Ford. Before you listen to this podcast, I would recommend you google her name.

Her March 2020 podcast with Hugging the Cactus is what I’d listen to fully first. This podcast got pretty philosophical too, so I hope we didn’t get too abstract. 

As always, you can find the show notes, book recommendations, and links to the Hugging The Cactus podcast on my website: 

https://eugenefernandes.com/2020/06/04/notes-from-6-caylan-ford/. 

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